Dr. Ryan N.S. Topping has written for numerous publications on a variety of Catholic themes and figures, including St. Augustine, Dante, and G.K. Chesterton, and is the author of six books, including most recently Renewing the Mind: A Reader in the Philosophy of Catholic Education (Catholic University of America Press) and The Case for Catholic Education: Why Parents, Teachers, and Politicians Should Reclaim the Principles of Catholic Pedagogy (Angelico Press). He is a fellow at Thomas More College of Liberal Arts in Merrimack, New Hampshire.
He recently spoke with Christopher S. Morrissey for Catholic World Report.
CWR: You have written much on education, including interesting analyses of St. Augustine’s educational philosophy. Why did you write these two new books?
Ryan Topping: Because we have become forgetful. The Case for Catholic Education is a manifesto for parents, teachers, and administrators. It’s a short book, filled with anecdotes and statistics, the kind of book I hope principals will feel confident handing out to their teachers, and moms to their friends. From the beginning we wanted this book to be user-friendly. Everything from the elegant pictures used, from the bibliography, to the study questions, are aimed at interesting busy people with children to sit down for a few hours with this book. I hope this book can make an immediate influence upon those who pick it up. Renewing the Mind, on the other hand, aims to make a more long-term impact.
CWR: Renewing the Mind is an anthology with the subtitle A Reader in the Philosophy of Catholic Education. How do you think will it have a long-term impact?
Topping: We also wanted this book to be accessible—and hence included study questions after every chapter; but it is aimed more directly at future teachers in education programs. Our hope is that, within the next few years, it will become a standard textbook in philosophy of education courses among Catholic colleges.
CWR: Why do we need a Catholic philosophy of education?
Topping: Catholic schools in North America have long contributed to the mission of the Church and to the flourishing of society. I myself was educated at one for a few years as a child. During the last forty years, however, Catholic schools in North America have suffered severe losses, both in their religious identity and in their capacity to attract students. In the previous decade alone, the number of students in American Catholic schools fell by almost 20 percent. Students in Catholic schools these days are more likely to believe in God than public school students, and be pro-life. At the same time, they more often use marijuana and are, on average, more sexually active. How did this happen? And more importantly, how can we rebuild our schools and reinvigorate our pedagogy? I wrote these two books both in an effort to understand what went wrong and in order to help, in some small way, contribute to the recovery of our own tradition.
CWR: Why is Catholic education so important to you personally?
Topping: Personally, my wife and I have always taken a passionate interest in education. I appreciate the theoretical questions of education, and began my own research at the origins of the classical tradition, with Plato and Augustine. But foremost it was the prospect of raising and, hence, educating our own children that first drove me to seek out the aims and methods of Catholic pedagogy. We’ve got seven sons now, so lots of young minds on which to experiment!
CWR: What does Catholicism contribute to a philosophy of education?
Topping: My hope is to evoke the memory of a tradition that we are in danger of forgetting. I am a college professor. Many of my students go on to be teachers, parents, and religious or clergy themselves. Often young Catholics know that there was something wrong with the secular high school education they received, but can’t put their finger on the problem. The reader, Renewing the Mind, along with its companion book, The Case for Catholic Education, aims to help believers know the difference between “progressive” models of education, for instance, and authentically “Catholic education.” On this point, most modern approaches to education find their inspiration in Rousseau, while classical approaches find their support in Aristotle. On matters pertaining to human development, I think Aristotle not only more compatible with the facts of how children learn, but also more compatible with Christian revelation.
CWR: Can you give an example of this difference between Aristotle and Rousseau on education?
Topping: These two approaches differ on numerous topics. To take just one: you are likely to love or loathe the “self-esteem” movement depending on whether you take Rousseau or Aristotle to be the better teacher. Rousseau thinks authenticity is the greatest virtue; Aristotle thinks that virtue is what makes you authentic. In the first model, Johnny can decide what’s wrong and right for himself; in the second, law, reason, custom, revelation, and, yes, even parents and teachers, can help Johnny figure out who he was meant to become.
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